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  JW Preaching Work Ends in 20th Century ?

  by Scorpion in

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  page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".

  (a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).

  this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.

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  Bungi Bill

  I well remember the interest aroused by that remark in the January 1 1989 WT:

  - bloody fools that we all were!

  Bill.
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  The elder said to me, "You're not supposed to take that seriously."

  by Julia Orwell in

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  he's been to my door a couple of times as they've done the territory and said hello and all that, a nice, clean-shaven version of santa clause.

  he was with a sister, a mild, pleasant intelligent sister with whom i always got on well, and we had a bit of a simple pleasantries-exchanging chat while my husband ran off and hid in the house like he normally does when jws come.. we got onto the sister's university studies and i said, "but at the dc they lumped university education in with fornication and every terrible thing!".

  shaved santa pipes up suddenly, "oh, you're not meant to take that seriously.

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  Bungi Bill

  It seems to me that those longtime JWs - i.e the ones who have stuck with the religion - are the ones like the "shaved Santa" fellow you just described.

  They may do lip service to the more extreme demands of the GB, but in practice use their judgement and common sense about such matters. Just the same, I don't know how those - again like "shaved Santa" - who are elders fare when they are "counselling" others about such things university education. Do they warn others not to, but then send their own children to uni?

  There is a word to describe such actions - and it is not avery pleasant one!

  Bill.
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  Do You Think Many Engaged JW Couples Fooled Around B4 Marriage?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  when i was an elder, i had a few couples approach me to confess that they either played around or went all the way.. i suspect there were many more that did not admit to it, though..

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  Bungi Bill

  Hortensia,

  "MYOB"

  - I would make that MYOBB!

  Bill
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  Do you recall your first encounter with a atheist? What was your thought?

  by jam in

  1. jw
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  growing up in the south everyone i knew believed in god, even the.

  town drunk.

  i remember watching some special tv program around xmas .

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  Bungi Bill

  My experiences are more like those of GoodGuyGreg, in that atheisim was more the norm where I grew up. When the subject of religion came up, the typical response from most men would have been "What ...... believe that rubbish?" Less so the women, though. The typical scenario would have been the women going to church at the church on Sunday morning - while all the guys had already been to "church" on Saturday night, but at the pub!

  Bill.
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  Skill Up - or Lose Your job !

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  that's the message in my inbox today, from (an aussie publication) transport and logistics news.

  ( http://www.tandlnews.com.au/2013/10/10/article/skill-up-or-lose-your-job/ ).

  note: i should edit this down a bit - but feeling mentally lazy.. but the message is simple - if you want to keep your job, find a way to develop your skills and make yourself more useful to your boss.. my xjw friend's son-in-law spent 6 long years doing an engineering degree part time, and was rewarded not long ago when two large mining companies competed for his services.. and, interestingly, i was talking last week to a singaporean businessman, who sells equipment that he buys from both italy and china.

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  Bungi Bill

  Absolutely so true!

  In my field, I am more and more seeing skills that now have to be licensed , which 30 years ago were hardly even classed as a skill:

  - the two that immediately come to mind are driving a forklift and operating a truck-mounted crane (Hiab or similar).

  ( not to mention no setting foot on a construction site without a generic construction industry induction - the Queensland "Blue Card" or similar. Like so many things, this course can only be completed on line, making computer literacy essential even for a builder's labourer).

  Those skills used to be learned (typically) while working on a farm, after which you obtained a generic drivers licence that allowed you to drive anything on wheels that wasn't in the category of a motor bike, car, truck or bus. This licence only permitted you to drive such a machine along a public road - it said nothing about your ability to operate it. In fact, back in 1978, when I obtained my Heavy Special type licence, the traffic policeman who conducted the driving test specifically said that they were not concerned or not you could operate the machine.

  Certainly, the days when you could operate a specific piece of mobile plant without first being fully trained and licensed to do so are long gone - and never to return!

  Bill.
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  Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?

  by Bangalore in

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  2. bible

  did jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.

  http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.

  bangalore.

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  Bungi Bill

  David17,

  You have talk about the "stress" that the WTS put on Jesus' words in Matt 24:36.

  The Watchtower of August 15 1968 had this cautionary statement to make about that particular bible verse:

  "This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning that day and hour nobody knows" (Matt 24:36)

  So, yes, you are correct in that the WTS did cite those remarks of Jesus:

  - however, these weren't always cited in the same manner as you and other JW apologists would have us believe!

  Bill.

  (PS: Being an avid reader of everything printed by the WTS during those years, I can remember all that like it was yesterday)
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  Who remembers the time cards we filled out?

  by Decided in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just thought about them a few minutes ago.

  you put how many hours you spent in service and the amount of mags.

  and books you placed(sold).

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  Bungi Bill

  During the days of the chart at the front of the Kingdom Hall, there were also strict monthly quotas each publisher had to meet if they were to remain classed as "regular".

  Included in these monthly quotas were:

  - 10 hrs

  - 12 magazines

  - 1 bible study

  Look out if you failed to meet your quota - it was then " ten laps of the parade ground while holding your rifle above your head."

  This went out about the same time as the elder arrangement came in

  i.e. 1971 / 72

  Bill.
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  JW Doctors

  by elisaporquien in

  1. jw
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  okay i know that there are people who began careers in medicine, law, etc.

  then later got into the truth.

  i know that pursuing a higher education is not forbidden but a personal choice.

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  Bungi Bill

  To use the term "personal choice" is taking matters a bit far when you are talking about Jehovahs Witnesses and higher education. I was stopped from going to university by the congregation's elders (one in particular - the same retard who 12 months later made me abandon the apprenticeship I had just started).

  There was very little "personal choice" involved, more like Hobson's choice!

  Bill.
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  Did You Ever Wonder What Goes Thru People's Heads When They Realized You Were A Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking back at it, they must of thought we were really weird!.

  funny story: yesterday i had to pick up meds for my mom and when they asked her date of birth, i couldn't remember!

  the cvs druggist looked at me in a strange way until i mentioned, "sorry, but i was raised a jehovah's witness and i never celebrated her birthday".. she laughed, asked for my id, then whispered what her birth date was.. you gotta wonder what they must be thinking!.

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  Bungi Bill

  When the WT Madness took hold of me, people I knew must have thought that I had taken complete leave of my senses.

  Interestingly, though, when I re-contacted these same people 40-something years later, they were still quite happy to have me as a friend:

  - just like nothing had changed.

  All I can say is that they could teach the JWs a thing or two about forgiveness!

  Bill.
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  Are MOST JW's lacking Moral Fibre ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i find that whether born in or converts, most jw's give their own conscience over to the gb (and writing dept) to dictate how they will react to any moral question.. they simply lack a conscience of their own.. this is not their fault, we should not look down on them for this, their conscience, their natural feeling of what is right and wrong has been:.

  stolen from them !.

  we all know how the cult does this to them, it did it to us, i really am almost in tears when i think that had either of my darling children needed a blood transfusion i would have resisted, believing what i have been taught all my life, that their eternal life was more important than their life now.. how can we persuade jw's to take back their conscience ?.

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  Bungi Bill

  The art of persuasion is certainly something else again, and nobody is likely to change their beliefs while they feel under attack (A person's defensive mechanisms cut in under those circumstances).

  There is a place on this forum, though, for also venting ones own feeling and frustrations: - "getting if off your chest" as the saying goes. This forum is not necessesarily only about helping those still in the JW religion, so I would not be too hard on Phizzy!

  As to whether or not it takes moral courage to kill ones own children:

  - as has often been observed "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good persons to do nothing."

  Moral cowardice can also be exhibited in the passive (it is perhaps even most oftenexhibited in this form).

  Bill